Going to have to be careful here and make sure I don’t sound like an old man writing about young women doing things in the media, but this discussion between Tavi and Lorde in Rookie is pretty enlightening on a number of issues, for example, what it’s like to have everything they do written about by old men in the media:
Also, I feel like everything I read about you is like grown men writing—
Oh my god, that tweet you made where you were like, “She laces her Converse…” I was like, “This is so accurate!” There’s a definite viewpoint of the think piece by an adult writing about kids.
It’s true! The end is always like, “She does [this childlike thing] but she also does [this adultlike thing]. Whoa!”
Mine is “She squeals…”
Yeah! That’s what I’d just read when I wrote that! Or, no, it was aprofile of Saoirse Ronan where they were like, “Then she’s just a kid in her Keds…”
[Laughs] Yeah, so terrible.
Not sure if I did that or not in our q+a a while back. Maybe!
It’s a lengthy interview, and covers a lot of interesting ground.
On handling the media attention:
Bullying and teen suicide are such hot topics right now, why would you make light of something that a lot of teenagers relate to and that helps them feel understood? I’m curious, did you have to do any media training before all this started?
I have never done media training. I feel like I probably should have, because then I could’ve better identified some of that baiting in the beginning. Now I’m really good at it. But I think people don’t realize how weird it is to go from being a teenager or being just a human being who has opinions and freely discusses them with other people, to having everything you say scrutinized and taken out of context. In the space of three months, going from never having done an interview to being in Rolling Stone, being in Interview, and not really realizing how that whole thing works. That stuff was so weird. But now I’ve kind of got a handle on it. Now when people are like, “Tell me what you think of Miley!” I’ll say, “What do you think of Miley?” and they like flounder and say, “Well, I think she’s really talented…” and I’m like, there you go.
And on the infamous charges of racism for “Royals.”
When people started to look at “Royals” as a critique of hip-hop, how did you react and feel?
I mean, it’s one thing for kids who fight in the comments section of YouTube and who use “gay” as an insult to take offense at what you’re doing; but when it’s highly intelligent writers, all of whom you respect, you start to question what you’re doing and if you have done something wrong. I have grown up in a time when rap music is pop music, and I do think people were maybe a little bit selective about the parts of that song they used to make those arguments, because a lot of it is examples of rock excess, or just standard pop culture “rich kids of Instagram”-type excess. But I’m glad that people are having discussions about it and informing me about it. Also, I wrote that song a few months into being 15, and now I’m a 17-year-old looking back on that, and I didn’t know then what I know now, so I kind of am not too hard on myself.
Go read the rest here.